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Thanks once again to our friend Tony Taylor at Dreamwest Magazine, we’ve been able to get in touch with Katie Cole! Katie is originally from Melbourne, Australia, and now based in Los Angeles. Among her influences are platinum artists such as Jackson Browne, Glen Campbell and Kris Kristofferson. Katie appears as a guest vocalist on Glen Campbell’s final studio album, Ghost on the Canvas, and she’s enlisted Kristofferson to appear her own upcoming full length, Lay It All Down? Katie is a singer/songwriter breaking through the clouds

HVUM: Hi Katie. It’s a pleasure to have this opportunity to get to know you better. You have quite an interesting story. You are from Melbourne, now living in Los Angeles. Tell us more about yourself and how you made your way from Australia to Los Angeles.

KC: I’m a songwriter chasing a dream. Corny as hell, yes, but 100% true. My record producer Howard Willing (Smashing Pumpkins, Sheryl Crow, Ok Go, Nerina Pallot) reached out to me while I was in Oz. I basically flipped out and somehow made my way over to Los Angeles. I always knew I’d end up in California…just didn’t know how I’d get there or why. I play guitar, piano and a little bass when I’m forced to and I’ve been singing since I was 2, but professionally since I was 15/16. I’m a scorpio, various favorite colors and self-confessed cat person. Also, it is unwise to leave pizza near me.

HVUM: We know from your biography that you were brought up surrounded by the rock of the 60s and 70s – Jimi Hendrix, the Rolling Stones and Janis Joplin. How do you find the influence of these artists plays into your music?

KC: I suppose any and all music plays a role on a person that goes into a music-related profession. I think the early music and concerts I was subjected to played a huge role in the way my brain crafted an idea of what constitutes great song, song structure and live performance. I still love a soul/blues edge to notes I choose to sing and great guitar riffs are a must. As a listener, I definitely go through moods and phases, but those early influences sort of stick around whether I like it or not. 🙂

HVUM: You tell us that today you relate to artists such as Fleetwood Mac, Tom Petty and Sheryl Crow. Do you have a specific sense for how these musicians are part of your work?

KC: I think I just feel a kinship towards singer-songwriters and bands of that nature that maintain an uptempo feel to the bulk of their work. I’m a huge fan of the anthemic songs and these artists managed to deliver many songs that I consider to be staple material. Sheryl Crow, to me always had such diverse lyrics and clever but easy-sounding choruses. As a lyricist, I learnt a lot from her work. Petty brings to the table simple chord progressions with deep and often dark subtext coupled with easy sing-along choruses. Fleetwood Mac having so many lead singers bring the effect of 3 bands. Christine McVie songs, Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks songs. All felt vastly different from one another depending on who was singing. That’s a rarity in a band….to get away with such diversity. I feel I learned how to take complex characters and bring them to life in timeless sounding songs. It’s hard to compare yourself to other artists, but I love the above mentioned for those reasons. That said, I’m always learning. Always trying to challenge what I write and the way I record it.

HVUM: So, describe Katie Cole as Katie Cole…How do we best describe your sound?

I always say uplifting, singer-songwriter with flavors of folk, country and rock. Strong lyrics and stories that feel relatable. My vocal style is closer to Sheryl Crow and music style is a hybrid between Tom Petty and new artists like KT Tunstall and One Republic. I write emotion from the heart with elaborate plot lines. A lot of relationship songs that aren’t standard “i love you” songs. I think it’s about the details. I like details.

HVUM: For you, personally, does any of your work to-date stand out as the crowning achievement?

KC: I suppose the first single taken from my first American EP of the same name “Lost Inside a Moment” would be that song. I knew it was a special song when it was a challenge to write. Sometimes a song is ready when it’s ready and it was definitely worth the time spent writing and recording. It was my first song to get radio play in the UK on BBC Radio 2. For me, that’s a big deal. It’s probably a big deal for any artist. It was play-listed, then another song was. It was a really important time for me. In 2011 I had released the EP in America and I felt, that song wasn’t really reaching ears. I suppose there was a good gut feeling and some luck involved when it jumped across the pond. A great song has legs, the mystery and sometimes frustration about that is not knowing when those legs will sprout. There is a lot of persistence and hard work involved in what I do.

HVUM: You do a lot of collaborative work with famed artists such as Glen Campbell and Kris Kristofferson. Tell us a bit about you collaborations. Is collaborative work something you really enjoy?

KC: I first met Glen Campbell in 2009 when I first popped my head over to Los Angeles to start the meetings and recording process. My amazing Producer Howard Willing is also Glen’s producer and helped introduce me to his team. I ended up opening some shows up for him in Nevada in 2009 then again in 2010. When it came time to record his 2011 “Ghost on the Canvas” album I was brought to sing all of the female parts. A huge honor. It’s very sad that Glen is now suffering from Alzheimer’s. His fans will always remember what he’s given to the music world though. I also found out that a few songs from that album are being re-released on a new album 2013/2014 for Glen. An amazing singer and unbelievable guitarist and showman. Chatting with him and our Producer I was quick to learn his background as a session guitarist and all the iconic albums he performed including Frank Sinatra, the Beach Boys etc. Huge stuff. Then it came time to record my new album and my Producer Howard once again reached out to somebody amazing. I actually wrote the song on the album called “Penelope” for a male artist just like Kris Kristofferson to sing. When I decided I was going to record it myself, Willing reached out to him having previously engineered the last couple of Kristofferson records for Producer Don Was (also a legend). Timing was just amazing and it happened. Collaboration is an incredible thing. None of the collabs I’ve done have been fully planned. There is definitely some randomness to that equation. Randomness and magic.

HVUM: You’ve toured a lot – Do you have any special or favorite places to perform?

KC: I really enjoyed touring American cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Nashville and Denver. I love London too. I can’t wait to get back over there. I think I just enjoy travel and visiting new cities. It’s not always about the live shows, but the people you meet and the food. The vans – not so great.

We’ve been featuring your new video, “(We Stared A) Fire” (just out November2013). The track has been described as “American Country meets British pop”. What’s the story there? We’d like to know more about the track and the video.

KC: Thank you for supporting my music!! Well, the song was the last one I wrote for the record. I just wanted one more uptempo song. To me, this one is a tad sexy in nature although it’s at a fast pop tempo. I don’t think I do slow, sexy bow chicka wow wow songs. Haha. It was a really organic recording process as the drums and bass were laid down first with rough guitars and vocals. It was clear between my Producer and me that the drum part was going to be a feature and was going to drive the song. Everything else just sits on top of that. Guitar parts punch through and keys float in and out. It’s mostly my voice and that drum pattern that drive the song. I wanted a video to match the nature of the song. I felt like I wanted the main scene to be the band shot as I was hoping to introduce the viewing audience to my live band. The colored lighting of each scene change from a red band scene, to yellow fabric scene to a black scene with a yellow fluorescent lamp and a smoky scene where I’m wearing an amazing gown. All up it has a raw, rock feel with a sultry streak. There is a real live sense to the way it’s shot. Director Justin Coloma really captured the video exactly how I imagined it and the rest!! It’s moving, flowing and changing the whole ride. Lighting was a real key to this video along with elements of fire itself to illuminate some key shots.

HVUM: We know you have a new album coming our way “Lay It All Down” Tell us about that project and when should we be looking to buy the album?

KC: I actually launched a kickstarter campaign mid 2011 and it was successfully funded. Yes, it was that long ago. It started as me wanting to record 5 songs as a new EP. Once my Producer and I started to go through costs and songs, it was clear that I had too much solid material and it was more cost effective to spend more time and record more songs. So another 6 months went by with recording and planning. Put the first single out Oct 2012 called “I can’t wait”, signed a small record deal….some time flew by (6 months)…then extracted myself swiftly from that deal. Long story and I lost a lot of time. Time that I can’t get back unfortunately. I opted to somewhat restart. A lot of artists go through this. My producer wanted to remix the record and I launched the second single “(We started a) Fire this November. The new album is due out March 3rd 2014. I wanted to allow enough time to promote the new single. To me, you get one first impression of your art …so I’d rather wait and do something right than be impatient and release something early for the sake of it. That’s the definition of vanity and this is not a vanity project. I suppose I’m trying to compete with other major label and indie artists and that takes time and planning. So here we are!

HVUM: In the meantime, let’s take some time to check out that video “(We Started A) Fire”.

HVUM: Okay! We’ll be watching out for “Lay It All Down”. Any other projects in the works?

I spend roughly 1-2 weeks every other month writing in Nashville. I’m positive I have enough for another 2 full albums…but I’d like to narrow that down to an EP of songs. I’m thinking on that at the moment. I haven’t released “Lay it all Down” yet, but I’m definitely already planning something new.

HVUM: Do you have any particular causes or charities that you support and want to mention for our readers?

In Australia I used to do a lot of work for the Cancer council and the Variety club. Since moving to the US, I have been supporting Red Cross, MS Society (as my mum has MS) and WECAN that empowers women and supports awareness of Climate Change globally. I give charitably to a lot of random causes too and when needed I will buy a subway sandwich for a hungry face. I think kindness is a daily ritual and not something to brag about. It’s quite easy to be nice and do nice things even if no one else knows about it.

HVUM: Finally, my favorite question? Do you have any special superheros of your own? Why?

My Mum is my favorite superhero. It’s really hard being away from her. She’s a strong women who has overcome some difficult challenges in her life. She also now has MS. She’s still stubborn as ever, which is funny, and demands to do as much as possible on her own. I love that sort of independence. I hope I got that from her. I also think my cat here in Los Angeles has super powers. But those superpowers are only present when no one else is watching and only when she’s not napping or eating.

Visit Katie Cole at http://katiecoleofficial.com/


Hello! My name is Alison. I’ve been passionate about country music since I was very young. I got to know music by following styles – rock, southern rock and the country music styles of today – and by cruising through the USA. I’ve also bought a lot of CDs! In recent years, I started broadcasting the “Les News de Nashville” on the Big Cactus Country presented by my friend Johnny Da Piedade. You can read my blog post on the Big Cactus Country site as well as here on the HorizonVU Music Blog and SHOP!

Big Cactus Country Radio Show!!! The best of American Country presented by Johnny Da Piedade and Alison Hebert! The BCC is a syndicated radio Show presented by Johnny Da Piedade and Alison Hebert broadcast weekly more than 250 times. The BCC networtk is 120 affiliated radio stations in France, Reunion Island, St-Pierre-et-Miquelon, Belgium, Switzerland, Quebec and more.

The nominations for the CMA Awards 2013 are here!

This year and for the sixth consecutive year, the humorous Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood will be the duo presenting the 47th Annual CMA Awards, i.e., Awards presented annually by the Country Music Association. This event will take place on November 6th in the famous arena in Nashville, Bridgeston Arena, and will be broadcast live on the ABC television network.

Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood

Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood

From the list of nominated artists, Sheryl Crow and the duo Florida Georgia Line have released albums last week. There are three superstars that stand out winning the most nominations;

Seryl Crow and Georgia Florida Line

Sheryl Crow and Georgia Florida Line

The singer who became 100% Pop, Taylor Swift, the newcomer Kacey Musgraves and Blake Shelton. Taylor was nominated six times in the categories: Singer of the Year, Album with “Red”, single, music event and video of the year with “Do not Care Highway”, the song she sings with Tim McGraw, and we can’t forget the supreme prize, Entertainer of Year, i.e., Artist of the Year!



It’s a nice surprise for Kacey Musgraves who happens to prevail in the categories of Female Vocalist of the Year, New Artist, Album of the Year for “Same Trailer different Park” and add to that two award nominations for single and song of the year with “Merry Go Round”.

As for the men, it is the redneck Blake Shelton who takes 5 nominations: Best singer, album of the year with his latest album “Based On A true Story” and two nominations for the single, which was also considered an event of the year “Boys Round Here” as performed with the Pistol Annies.



Pistol Annies

Pistol Annies

Blake Shelton is nominated for Entertainer of the Year competing with Taylor Swift, Jason Aldean, Luke Bryan, and unbelievable, but true, Mister George Strait.

Left to Right: Taylor Swift, Jason Aldean and Luke Bryan

Left to Right: Taylor Swift, Jason Aldean and Luke Bryan



George Strait

George Strait

Members of the CMA, have finally managed to vote en masse for a true superstar of country Music: George Strait, who has just signed a contract extension at MCA, the label with five key new albums coming .

Even if The King of Country Music will be retiring, we did not stop listening to the radio. Does he win the CMA Artist of 2013 just before getting his retirement money? To find out, stay tuned!

The Nominees!

Entertainer Of The Year
Jason Aldean
Luke Bryan
Blake Shelton
George Strait
Taylor Swift

Male Vocalist Of The Year
Jason Aldean
Luke Bryan
Eric Church
Blake Shelton
Keith Urban

Female Vocalist Of The Year
Kelly Clarkson
Miranda Lambert
Kacey Musgraves
Taylor Swift
Carrie Underwood

New Artist Award
Lee Brice
Brett Eldredge
Florida Georgia Line
Kip Moore
Kacey Musgraves

Vocal Duo Of The Year
Big & Rich
Florida Georgia Line
Love and Theft
Sugarland
The Civil Wars
Thompson Square

Vocal Group Of The Year
The Band Perry
Eli Young Band
Little Big Town
Lady Antebellum
Zac Brown Band

Album Of The Year
“Blown Away” – Carrie Underwood
“Red” – Taylor Swift
“Tornado” – Little Big Town
“Based On A True Story” – Blake Shelton
“Same Trailer Different Park” – Kacey Musgraves


Hello! My name is Alison. I’ve been passionate about country music since I was very young. I got to know music by following styles – rock, southern rock and the country music styles of today – and by cruising through the USA. I’ve also bought a lot of CDs! In recent years, I started broadcasting the “Les News de Nashville” on the Big Cactus Country presented by my friend Johnny Da Piedade. You can read my blog post on the Big Cactus Country site as well as here on the HorizonVU Music Blog and SHOP!

Big Cactus Country Radio Show!!! The best of American Country presented by Johnny Da Piedade and Alison Hebert! The BCC is a syndicated radio Show presented by Johnny Da Piedade and Alison Hebert broadcast weekly more than 250 times. The BCC networtk is 120 affiliated radio stations in France, Reunion Island, St-Pierre-et-Miquelon, Belgium, Switzerland, Quebec and more.

This week two new singles will arrive on the US radio waves, they beginning with that of the family group The Band Perry and the song which you discovered on the Big called Cactus Country: “Don’t Let Me Be Lonely”.

The trio Band Perry will be in France on November 25th of this year in Paris at « Divan du Monde » for at the incredible price of 23,99€ and BCC is a partner!! Reserve now!!! http://www.divandumonde.com/25-Novembre-2013-the_band_perry-707.html

As regards other new albums to come, as I have already said in the “News from Nashville”, Keith Urban arrives with a 9th studio album “Fuse ” set to appear on September 10th!

Sheryl Crow

– on the same date, the singer Sheryl Crow will introduce “Feels Like Home” a new opus of 12 completely unpublished titles, including the current single ” Easy “. She will appear on the major-label Warner Bros Records.

He would have celebrated his 82 years on September 12th of this year. I certainly want to speak about the legend Georges Jones. He left us on April 23rd of this year. A new album made up of titles which are in his archives, Georges Jones offers a gospel song album called “Amazing Grace” on September 10th.

Steve Warner

– “It Ain’ t All Bad” it is the name of the latest album from the very good author-composor-guitarist and singer Mister Steve Warner! It will be his 19th album studio.

Dierks Bentley also surfaces again with a new title ” I Hold On ” taken from his seventh album studio ” Riser” set to appear in the immediate future. Dierks Bentley is always consistent; he excels.


Natalie Gelman is widely recognized for her tireless cross-country travel and performances. She’s just released a new album, “Streetlamp Musician” with producers Charlie Midnight (James Brown) and Mark Needham (The Killers). The album is reflective, titled after a song she wrote about street performing and watching New York City change over time.

She was raised in the West Village, NYC, an area of the city considered as “off the grid” and noted for having been home to artists and writers dating back to the 1800s. Living amongst songwriting greats, Natalie came to know artists and true bohemians. She borrowed a friend’s guitar at 16 and started writing songs on it immediately and began busking on subway platforms.

Natalie has been compared to Sheryl Crow, Jewel and Joni Mitchell. She writes honest, heartfelt songs addressing current affairs and revealing parts of her inner self.

Natalie Gelman Photo Credit: Brent Florena

Natalie Gelman Photo Credit: Brent Florence

Hi, Natalie. Thanks so much for taking time out to join us. You have quite a colorful and exciting past, is there anything we missed in the introduction that you’d like to add – something else we should know?

NG: Thank you. I think you touched on it all. I loved growing up in NYC and both my parents were artists, so I was raised with a lot of music and art around me both creating and appreciating it. I also think busking and the process of going down to the subway for years over and over again really shaped me as a musician and how I communicate on stage.

I love the tradition of street performers and troubadours, but I actually really fell into it because I was dying to perform but wasn’t old enough to play most of the venues in NYC because they were bars.

Tell us a little more about life in the West Village. Do you have a special memory of those early days you can recall for us?

NG: It was just a wonderful and enchanted part of the city. Maybe some of my opinion is because I was a child at the time, but I think it’s changed a

Photo Credit: Chris Zedano

Photo Credit: Chris Zedano

lot recently and that’s a big part of what inspired Streetlamp Musician. It was one of Manhattan’s little neighborhoods but it felt very free and had so much character.

I was pretty free to do my own thing and entertain myself growing up. I would climb trees, hide in them and then whisper from the tree to people walking by who would laugh, I took a lot of walks with my mom and sister and we would see prostitutes hanging out of windows from a building on 14th street trying to seduce potential customers – that’s now a posh restaurant. It was just a wild place where no one was trying to be something they weren’t but they still were passionate at creating a beautiful life and beautiful art.

In addition to your current work, you’ve shown quite a range of ability in the past – opera to rock. How did you come to music, and in particular, acoustic folk? Tell us a bit about your journey.

NG: Well I always loved singing and music. I started out singing what I was watching in the movies, lots of songs from Disney and then some musical theater songs. I ended up getting into the High School of Performing Arts in NYC (the FAME school) and there I was able to study more classical music as a way to build good technique. I think that’s a great way to start and I ended up in college studying opera having just picked up the guitar before I left for school.

Having been raised around classical music it took me a while to realize that I had actually been a songwriter of sorts. Growing up, I used to compose on the piano and make up songs a capella. When I got to college I started writing as a way of coping with the changes in my life. I was listening to a lot of Jewel’s “Pieces of You” album and that definitely shaped my sound when I was starting to write.

Now I surround myself with a lot of music from friends and artists slightly off the beaten path and I’m definitely continually inspired by their work.

Let’s talk about your first album, “Natalie Gelman”. Standout songs include “Rest of the Way”, Sweet July” and “Always Was”. Can you tell us what was behind that work?

Photo Credit: Craig ONeal

Photo Credit: Craig O'Neal

NG: Most of the record is about my first big relationship and breakup. My favorite song on there is actually “Never Had You”. It surprised us in the studio because it wasn’t one we were expecting to be great, but I think sometimes the simplest ones are.

As far as the recording, I was lucky that a friend asked if she could record an album for me. I had already been in the studio with different people to make demo’s and an EP, but we made the decision to dive into the unknown of recording a record together. She had a few friends she brought on and then it was up to me when she was done recording to really see it through mixing/mastering and then all the logistics of creating a physical CD and having it printed and released. It was a big learning experience for me at the time.

You’ve recently released “Streetlamp Musician” http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/streetlamp-musician-ep/id559892889?ign-mpt=uo%3D4. From the get-go, this work has a lot to say about love along with disappointment, hope, perhaps frustration…It opens with “One More Thing” – a sharp opening drumbeat and lost or broken love. There seems to be hope in “Long Stemmed Roses”…tell us your thoughts about this latest work.

NG: I grew up a lot since I made my first album. “Streetlamp Musician” definitely deals with the deep heartbreak of love lost. It wasn’t just inspired by different important relationships in my life though. I did a lot more observing to write the record both as an artist on “Most the While” needing to make music, as someone watching people who are in a long term relationship maybe not love each other as much as you think they would on “Long Stemmed Roses” and in what is probably my favorite song to play live “Laugh So Hard You Cry” which is that balance of hope and going through the trials of life.

Does any one track strike you as particularly significant?

NG: I haven’t lived with it long enough for just one song to be significant. They all have felt significant, sometimes two or three times over at one point or another. I am really proud of the writing on them all and the feedback that it’s been getting. “Most the While” was a very hard song for me to write emotionally. I didn’t think that it would get shared with anyone but realized after playing it for a few close people how much it helped them process things themselves and that it had to be on there.

We’ve taken a liking to “Long Stemmed Roses”. Let’s have a look and listen to your studio vid released in August.

Fantastic! You travel a lot…You played out in Utah at the Sundance Film Festival…how did that come about? Good time?

NG: I try to keep playing as much as I can where people are interested in listening… and sometimes even for people who aren’t so interested too! I went to Sundance for the first time a few years ago to play at the New York Film Lounge, but I was only scheduled to play for about 15 minutes each day.

I’m always looking for new places and chances to play and after seeing some folks busking I jumped into doing that in the freezing cold and also found some other chances to play at parties. I just put myself out there and it came together little by little growing every year as I keep going back.

What I love is that your surrounded by interesting and creative people. There are so many artists there not only filmmakers and musicians but also the crowd that is drawn out to come watch the films. I always enjoy conversations with people there, I love the Q&A after a film is shows there hearing from the folks involved what they went through making it and I just leave inspired to start off my year creatively.

What’s next for Natalie? Any particular goals in mind?

NG: I want to get back on the road a lot more next year. I’ve even started looking into a European tour and getting out there finally! If that comes together it would be later in the year 2013. Right now we are gearing up to put out the record (it’s just out digitally right now) and I know I’m going to be working hard on that but I already have plenty of songs I want to put out besides what made it on to the EP so hopefully the wait for the next album will be really short too.

Okay. I usually finish interviews by asking you if you have any particular personal superheroes [and I am going to ask, but first, I have to ask…what’s the story behind the red fox SpiritHood in your “Sundance in Your Eyes” video?

Thank you for asking. That’s one of my favorite songs lately. It’s a little love song I wrote when the opportunity to play on the Sundance Channel

Photo Credit: JL Cummings

Photo Credit: JL Cummings

came up. It happened so fast because I was asked if I had a song I could change the words to be somewhat about the festival and if so maybe I could get to play it on the Sundance Channel. I thought I would have a better chance of the opportunity if I had a song about Sundance so I told them I did already and they got back to me saying could they film it the next day at 10am… It was already dinnertime on the first night of Sundance last year and I didn’t even give up my first night of seeing people and a bit of partying to write it. I had the chords, melody and some lyrics right away and was just pushed to finish it.

It was pretty magical the way it was written and then became a bit of a theme song at the festival everywhere I went. As I said earlier Sundance is somewhat the start of the year for me and has been a catalyst for change in a lot of ways in my life. I just had so much love for the event, the films and the artists that come out and put all of that into the song. I also am blessed to have an amazing man in my life that I met when at Sundance. Brent and I ended up connecting and being together and the song was very much about him and our relationship. He’s an artist as well and has a hilarious comedy out that’s about two filmmakers struggling to follow their dreams called Eagles in the Chicken Coop. You will probably see some collaboration from us in the future too.

Connecting with Spirithoods and the making of the video for Sundance in Your Eyes happened because one of the creators, Ashley Haber, is a good friend of Brent’s and had heard the little rough cut I made of the song the night I wrote it. Spirithoods happened to be at the festival in a gifting suite raising money for charity. Part of the fun of Sundance is running around meeting friends of friends and connecting with lots of creative and wonderful people. We all met up towards the end of the festival and Ashley got the idea to film the song in the snow outside the suite we were in. We did a little one take of the song with some soft snow falling down and within minutes he had posted it to Youtube. It all just came together like a lot of things do at Sundance and was amazing to watch it become a favorite song of people who have never even been to the festival. I plan on recording and releasing it soon.

Wow! Glad we asked the question…great story! And now…personal superhero?

NG: I don’t know about a superhero but I’m a fan of people who follow their heart and dreams even when it’s tough. I’m often moved by other artists work and Brent, nature and playing with life in everyway I can inspires me a lot too.

Natalie thanks so much. Getting to know you has been very interesting, and honestly, good fun. You have an interesting story to tell and it’s a pleasure for us to work with you. It’s been a real pleasure and we wish you the very best of fortune going forward. We hope to see you in Europe – hopefully a HorizonVU Music live event!

Visit Natalie at
http://www.NatalieGelman.com
http://www.Myspace.com/NatalieGelman
http://www.Youtube.com/NatalieGelman
http://www.Twitter.com/NatalieGelman


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